3. Finally, ChrisZ doesn't like to hear about the how the ongoing debate on homosexuality in the church and in society actually affects real GLBT people. That might inspire an emotional response and the Truth rises above emotions. In other words, keep everything focused on concepts and actively avoid talking about people and families (unless it's convenient to do otherwise).
I'll start with the easy stuff first:
Can a GLBT person change their sexual orientation?: I believe that we can change our behavior. I don't believe that most GLBT folks are successful with their effort to change from gay or lesbian to het. I believe that most of those gay or lesbian folks who have successfully settled down and married heterosexually still struggle with their own homosexual feelings. And I believe that there are some who successfully make the change. But I also believe that many more people have tried very hard for much of their lives to change from gay to het with no lasting success. And I believe that the Church and its members are not very kind when they tell those people that they don't believe enough in or trust enough in Jesus' transformative power, as evidenced by their lack of change.... and more recently here:
What about the gays and lesbians who sincerely spend years repenting and fasting and praying to be let go from their homosexual temptations? People make it seem like it’s so easy. Turn to Jesus and he’ll set you free. And then the years click by and they’re not really set free.3. Are gay families the moral equivalent of adulterers and drug addicts? I already addressed this here. In my mind, this is a faulty comparison. Adultery harms the family through acts of deceit and by risking the introduction of negative outside influence like STDs and illegitimate children. Drug addition harms people through its various symptoms — inability to maintain employment, inability to care for kids or manage one's household, legal problems, and of course the mental and physical effects of the addiction itself. Gay families are no more likely to inherently harm those in the family than het families.
The truth is that some gay people can become ex-gay and some gay people were made gay, but the truth is that other gay people aren’t going to become ex-gay no matter how much they try and no matter how much praying, psychotherapy, and holding therapies (they engage in). The truth is that there are gay people who are genuinely happy, content, and safe in their lifestyles, even if that lifestyle is something so vanilla as marriage, kids, and career. And the truth is that they are right with God and they are not addicts or prostitutes or adulterers (though many ex-gay leaders for some reason seem to be former addicts, prostitutes, or adulterers; I’m just sayin’).
4. What about bisexuals? I already answered this here:
(M)y husband is a bisexual male. What’s your point?5. What about transgender people? I answered ChrisZ in the other thread, but really the answer should have been a rephrasing of the bisexual question: "What about them?"
6. What about polygamy? How far do you want to take this? I addressed this here:
Polygamy often gets lumped in with GLBT people, but it’s hardly our issue. I dare you to ask most actual Polygamists (who tend to be quite religiously and socially conservative) how much they support the “gay lifestyle”. I will point out that Polygamy has much more of a presence in the Bible than homosexuality does and it tended to be treated in a culturally neutral way, FWIW. At least it’s a step up from adultery, in my mind.And that's where I'm going to end this discussion tonight. I plan to address the following issues over the course of this little series: NARTH's origins and purpose; NARTH's anti-gay political and legal activism; and the removal of homosexuality from the DSM (or "is homosexuality a mental illness?")